{"id":61,"date":"2014-01-20T19:32:54","date_gmt":"2014-01-21T00:32:54","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/designinglight.com\/?p=61"},"modified":"2014-01-20T19:32:54","modified_gmt":"2014-01-21T00:32:54","slug":"a-challenge-for-led-luminaires","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/designinglight.com\/?p=61","title":{"rendered":"A Challenge for LED Luminaires"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Today I was at an LED &#8220;shootout&#8221; at the New York City office of Barbizon (special thanks to John Gebbe and Scott Hali). \u00a0We were looking at products that might be used in a specific application &#8211; that of lighting an auditorium or theatre. \u00a0The shootout was between 26 fixtures from 17 manufacturers, all installed at a height of 10&#8242;.<\/p>\n<p>Architecturally, the designer is essentially lighting three conjoined rooms: \u00a0the orchestra, where the ceiling can be 35&#8242; high or more; the balcony, where the ceiling can range from 12&#8242; to 25&#8242; because of the steep slope of the seating; under the balcony, where the ceiling may range from 12&#8242; to 18&#8242;, again because of the slope of the seating.<\/p>\n<p>The first part of the challenge is to find a set of fixtures that can provide even illumination in these three spaces, each one of which has a sloped floor and therefore a \u00a0varying throw distance. \u00a0The second part of the challenge is for all of the fixtures to dim simultaneously. \u00a0Unfortunately, I don&#8217;t think we saw success. \u00a0Here&#8217;s what we saw.<\/p>\n<p>First, only one manufacturer had a product line for all three possible mounting conditions &#8211; pendant, surface, and recessed. \u00a0That manufacturer, though, didn&#8217;t have three beam spread and\/or brightness options to meet the range of typical installation heights.<\/p>\n<p>Second, LED manufacturing is maturing, but it&#8217;s not mature. \u00a0That means we still don&#8217;t have strong, industry-wide standards for things like color. \u00a0In many cases it was difficult to use fixtures from two or more manufacturers because the color of the light produced (visually evaluated, and measured in color temperature, peak wavelength and spectral content) clearly didn&#8217;t match.<\/p>\n<p>Finally, getting fixtures from multiple manufacturers to dim simultaneously proved very difficult. \u00a0Each set of installed fixtures would need its own (perhaps custom) dimming curve just to get a close match, and identical performance seemed impossible. \u00a0 The problem here is three-fold. \u00a0First, multiple control protocols would be required. \u00a0The fixtures demonstrated used line voltage dimming, three-wire dimming, 0-10v DC, and DMX protocols. \u00a0That&#8217;s not a deal breaker, but it is an unfortunate complication. \u00a0Second, some of the LED drivers produced unacceptable dips, flickering, or pulsing of the light as they dimmed. \u00a0Third, some of the LED drivers couldn&#8217;t make a smooth transition from darkness or light, or light to darkness. \u00a0We saw fixtures pop on and drop out, dim up nicely but not dim out well, and dim out well but pop on. \u00a0Eventually this might be as easy as working with incandescent lamps, but not yet.<\/p>\n<p>The easy lesson was that, for now, the safest choice for smooth dimming from darkness to full light is still incandescent. \u00a0The color of the light from fixtures in all of the installation conditions will match, the dimming curves will be the same, and they&#8217;re easy to dim.<\/p>\n<p>The complicated lesson was that it is absolutely essential to mock up the proposed lighting system, using the LEDs, drivers, control protocols, and dimming equipment that will be installed. \u00a0It&#8217;s the only way to be certain that the start and end of a show, when the house lights dim down and then back up, isn&#8217;t a light show of its own.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Today I was at an LED &#8220;shootout&#8221; at the New York City office of Barbizon (special thanks to John Gebbe and Scott Hali). \u00a0We were looking at products that might be used in a specific application &#8211; that of lighting an auditorium or theatre. \u00a0The shootout was between 26 fixtures from 17 manufacturers, all installed &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/designinglight.com\/?p=61\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">A Challenge for LED Luminaires<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[12,9,11],"tags":[24,25,23],"class_list":["post-61","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-color","category-controls","category-leds","tag-led-color","tag-led-control","tag-led-dimming"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p4gZSw-Z","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":884,"url":"https:\/\/designinglight.com\/?p=884","url_meta":{"origin":61,"position":0},"title":"Lighting a Board Room","author":"Jason Livingston","date":"October 22, 2018","format":false,"excerpt":"This week I'll be focusing and setting light levels in a new corporate board room. \u00a0The first photo below shows testing of the RGBW LED cove lights. \u00a0The second photo shows the partial installation of a hard dropped ceiling with downlights and a central luminous panel.","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Design&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Design","link":"https:\/\/designinglight.com\/?cat=18"},"img":{"alt_text":"Testing an LED Cove","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/designinglight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/IMG_4495-1024x768.jpeg?resize=350%2C200&ssl=1","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/designinglight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/IMG_4495-1024x768.jpeg?resize=350%2C200&ssl=1 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/designinglight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/IMG_4495-1024x768.jpeg?resize=525%2C300&ssl=1 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/designinglight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/IMG_4495-1024x768.jpeg?resize=700%2C400&ssl=1 2x"},"classes":[]},{"id":3392,"url":"https:\/\/designinglight.com\/?p=3392","url_meta":{"origin":61,"position":1},"title":"Back to Basics with ALA","author":"Jason Livingston","date":"July 31, 2023","format":false,"excerpt":"On August 16th I'll be giving a presentation for the American Lighting Association (ALA) called Back to Basics: Fixtures, Spacing, and Techniques. \u00a0Here's their description. 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